Отправлено: 23.04.08 00:29. Заголовок: Англо-саксонская палатка

Англо-саксонская палатка.

Вобщем-то ничего сложного.
Один вопрос, из чего крылья? Если обычный лён или конопля, то промокнет быстро... Если кожа то тяжёлая очень.

Есть предложение летом попробовать изготовить.
Кто со мной?

 Отправлено: 23.04.08 00:34. Заголовок: Доживём-попробуем.....

Доживём-попробуем...только действительно не понятно из чего...

 Отправлено: 23.04.08 21:29. Заголовок: Думаю нужно попробов..

Думаю нужно попробовать.
Может это "летний варинант"? Т.е. на случай сухой погоды?
И еще, можно ли чем-то обрабатывать лен, чтобы он не очень промокал?

 Отправлено: 24.04.08 11:58. Заголовок: Вообще, можно попроб..

Вообще, можно попробовать промасливать...
Но я не уверен в том, что ткань останется целой и не сгниёт. Плюс незнаю насколько будет "непромокать"...

Там конструкция впринципе элементарная, главное - защита от воды.

 Отправлено: 24.04.08 18:30. Заголовок: Промасивать ткань? А..

Промасивать ткань? А получится?
Может как-нибудь воском можно обработать?

 Отправлено: 24.04.08 22:17. Заголовок: вроди непромоткань д..

вроди непромоткань делали с использование пропитывания бараньим жиром(прокипячивания) и высушивания, либо промасливание

 Отправлено: 24.04.08 22:18. Заголовок: пс льняное масло с в..

пс льняное масло с воском вскипятить, и туда лён секунд на 15 должно ништяу получиться

 Отправлено: 25.04.08 11:06. Заголовок: Можно попробовать ис..

Можно попробовать использовать конопляные ткани.
Они прочные, плохо продуваются(точнее почти совсем не продуваются) и хорошо держат влагу. Если с ними ещё поколдовать немного, должно вполне себе айс получится.

 Отправлено: 25.04.08 12:19. Заголовок: Я за коноплю. Надо т..

Я за коноплю. Надо только покопать насчёт дополнительного "колдовства".
И главное - не скурить в процессе изготовления=)

 Отправлено: 25.08.08 12:59. Заголовок: Итак, вопрос с палат..

Итак, вопрос с палатками стоит достаточно остро.
Что делать будем?
Надо денег готовить и заказывать. Либо большой шатёр, либо индивидуальные, на 2-3 человека.

 Отправлено: 25.08.08 13:50. Заголовок: Этот вопрос будет от..

Этот вопрос будет отдельно на тинге обсуждаться.
Как и многие другие. Форум гниёт и ощутимо попахивает.
А с новым дело в тормозах, и таковым пребудет, пока я не начну получать материалы для сайта.

 Отправлено: 29.08.08 22:59. Заголовок: Народ возьмите лучше..

Народ возьмите лучше мерки с шатра Сивальда. Это - говно. Туча полезной площади теряется + неустойчиво. Тогда уж лучше a-frame.

 Отправлено: 31.08.08 10:48. Заголовок: Есть возможность взя..

Есть возможность взять парусину. 100р за метр.
Предлагаю брать метров 150, т.к. кроме палаток, этого добра хватит на тент и на хозблок.

 Отправлено: 31.08.08 11:28. Заголовок: хым.... зашибись, я ..

хым.... зашибись, я за!

 Отправлено: 31.08.08 15:12. Заголовок: А какая ширина погон..

А какая ширина погонного метра?

 Отправлено: 31.08.08 19:13. Заголовок: Балабол пишет: А ка..

Балабол пишет:

цитата:

А какая ширина погонного метра?

если мне не изменяет память, погонный метр - это 100 см на 120 см

 Отправлено: 23.01.09 00:19. Заголовок: поднимаем тему с пал..

поднимаем тему с палатками и нужно продвигаться,я почти уверена.что некоторые собираются на Русборг,и я уверена,что уже не хотят стоять с кем-то...так что,дамы и господа,начинаем смотреть,искать.думать.предлагать.

 Отправлено: 24.01.09 17:14. Заголовок: Хорошая идея!)..

Хорошая идея!)

 Отправлено: 26.01.09 18:49. Заголовок: ТакС!) Скидываем баб..

ТакС!)
Скидываем бабло на палатку!!!!!)
Вася, уточни сумму!
Я слышала цифру, около 6.000.
Надо решить, по сколько скидываться!...

 Отправлено: 26.01.09 20:56. Заголовок: Д ада да порабы уже ..

Д ада да порабы уже скоро сезон начнёца

 Отправлено: 24.02.09 17:04. Заголовок: Могу посоветовать Ин..

Могу посоветовать Ингвара Елецкого,мы у него берем палатки.
удобные, легкие, хорошо выдерживают даже долгие ливни.
http://www.southrus.borda.ru/?1-5-0-00000040-000-0-0-1235481957

 Отправлено: 19.05.09 12:19. Заголовок: Палатка у нас есть, ..

Палатка у нас есть, не пора-ли обзавестись слегами?..
То что было у нас на смотре и на русборге показало что слеги желательно брать нормальные, а не в лесу искать. Мало ли что попадется. Тем более если на автобусе добираться.
Значит, нужно покупать нормальные. Слеги у нас если не путаю 3 метра?.. И горизантальная - больше...
Катя, если не сложно, напиши точно размеры палатки пожалуйста. И по размерам уже будем прикидывать что примерно покупать и во сколько это выйдет. Главный вопрос - горизантальная слега. Там ведь побольше 3х метров. Значит тут нужно думать что делать.

 Отправлено: 19.05.09 13:34. Заголовок: И тенд!)... хотелось..

И тенд!)... хотелось бы.

 Отправлено: 21.05.09 10:16. Заголовок: горизонтальная 3,0 в..

горизонтальная 3,0
высота 3,0...но на самом деле можно брать и ниже..как брали На Русборге 2,3-2,5
а Вообще Макс что ты посоветуешь?

 Отправлено: 21.05.09 11:01. Заголовок: Катерина Я уже ска..

Катерина

Я уже сказал Мирославу: 3 - по коньку, плюс выносы вправо-влево = 3,5 м, стойки 2,5 - 2,7. В общем, 3 бруска 50x50x4000 или чуть толще - и подгонять по месту)

 Отправлено: 31.05.09 23:13. Заголовок: Dark Age Tents Vikin..

Dark Age Tents
Viking and Saxon Camping Equipment
Historical provenance

Evidence for Viking and Saxon tents is hard to come by. Two basic types are in general use by re-enactors.
The tent/deck awning found with the Gokstad ship burial [1] has been used as the basis for large A framed tents, but whether this structure was ever in fact used as a free standing tent on land is contentious. The Icelandic sagas indicate that there were shelters for use at the Allthing which were "tented over" when occupied. In Egils saga the verb used is "tjalda" which is also used in the context of rigging awnings on ship [2], so the Gokstad deck awning may also have been used as a cover for a semi permanent shelter.



The second type of tent, usually known as a "Saxon Geteld" is based on manuscript illustrations.One of the principal sources is the Utrecht Psalter [3], a ninth century French manuscript which shows several small tents. Also of note is the Harley Psalter [4], an 11th century English manuscript based on the Utrecht Psalter which shows a somewhat taller version of the same design.

Building tents for re-enactment purposes is therefore largely a matter of informed guesswork and experimentation; that is to say, trying things out and using whatever works.

The Ydalir tents are based roughly on the Saxon Geteld, rather than on the Viking deck awning. These have the major advantages of being easier to make and transport; more stable in a high wind; and not being subject to such vociferous arguments between Authenticity Officers (not yet, anyway...). We have used two styles based on the same design. The end opening version illustrated here is based on the manuscript illustrations. The large side opening version where one side swings up to become an awning is an adaptation of this design which, while not as closely based on evidence, has the advantage of allowing the public to see inside when it is set up as part of a display.
Tent covering

A large quantity of woolen cloth found on the Gokstad ship has been interpreted as either the tent covering or the sail or both, or even as a single object which could be used as either sail or deck awning. Many of the reconstructions of Gokstad tents have used wool quite successfuly, however the Gokstad tent is not held up by tension in the covering. It would be interesting to see an experimental geteld made with wool, possibly with rope sewn into the seams to help with the tensioning, however we decided that a heavy linen cover seemed to offer a greater chance of success as it promised to be stronger, harder wearing, and less heavy when wet (a very real consideration).

Obviously you're going to want to hand spin and weave your own tent covering, but for us lesser mortals who must occasionally temper authenticity with practicality we offer the following advice.

Suitable fabrics are: heavyweight linen, linen union, heavyweight calico, sailcloth, embroidery or upholstery canvas. Good sources are local markets, fabric mills (look in your local telephone directory; lots of these places are not open to the general public but may be willing to sell you a whole bolt), and discount retail outlets like our old favourite Abakhan Rugs in Manchester. It's also worth ringing your local council (the Recycling Office) to find out if they have a waste brokerage registry. This is for local firms to advertise their waste bits and pieces, and you can find all manner of useful stuff - including bolts and lengths of cloth. Provided you're prepared to take a reasonable amount and collect it yourself, you can get it free or for very low cost.
Stitching

Our smaller geteld was sewn by hand using a run and fell seam (based on textile finds from York and Oslo), however hand stitching was not considered practical for the large tent (Roughly 24' by 14' and 7½' tall).

If you're sewing your tent with a machine, then dressmaking cotton is inadequate. I used Gütermann upholstery thread, which is good and strong. If you're sewing by hand (good luck!), then the strong linen thread you sew your shoes with is best. Note: our small tent was sewn by hand with greasy linen cobblers thread, which was waxed before use. It has been in regular use for nearly seven years at the time of writing with no problems so far. We have heard a report of linen thread rotting after about 18 months use and from the same source recieved a reccomendation for the use of sail making thread obtained from a ships chandlers which has lasted so far in excess of 10 years with no further need of maintenance.


1. The Gokstad ship was built just before 900 AD and when found in 1880, buried in a mound of blue clay southwest of Oslo, contained the remains of a 60 year old man and a number of artefacts.

2. Egils saga. Trans Christine Fell. ch. 81, note 3.

3. Utrecht Psalter. Illustrated manuscript (Utrecht, Bib. Rijksuniv., MS. 32) made between AD 816 and 834 at the Benedictine abbey of Hautvillers (Altumvillare) in the diocese of Reims.

4. Harley Psalter. Illustrated manuscript which was produced at Christ Church, Canterbury, over a period of about 100 years, from c. 1020 to c. 1130. The Harley Psalter was closely based on the Utrecht Psalter, the most celebrated of all Carolingian illuminated manuscripts.

сайт от куда взята информация http://www.ydalir.co.uk/crafts/tent.htm

 Отправлено: 01.06.09 00:06. Заголовок: Tent Pattern Making ..

Tent Pattern
Making a "Saxon Geteld"
How much fabric will you need?

We have never actually calculated the yardage for making a tent, as we have always bought the fabric and cut the tent according to our cloth, so to speak. However, for a small (1 or 2 person) tent, using 45" to 60" wide fabric, you will need approximately 6½ times the desired height of your tent.

To scale up to a larger side-opening tent with extra panels, or to make a larger end-opening tent, you need to add about 2½ times the height of the tent for each additional panel.

Measuring and cutting out

Cut two isosceles triangles the full width of your fabric; the height slightly taller than the desired height of your tent (piece #1).

Using one of the right-angle triangles (piece #3) as a guide, cut out piece #2, not forgetting to allow about 20cm for the ridge pole casing. This piece must be cut on the fold, so it will open out into a "butterfly" shape (see further diagrams below).

Repeat the right hand side of the cutting diagram to get another piece #2.
You should end up with:
Two large Isosceles triangles (piece #1) - these will form the back bell-end.
Two "butterflies" (piece #2) - these will form the tent sides.
Eight right-angle triangles (piece #3) - Six of these will form the front flaps

This leaves you with 2 pieces (piece #3) left over, which can be used to make ties.
Making up
Sewing the panels

All seams should end up on the inside of the tent! For strength you should use a run-and-fell seam

Stitch together the two piece #2s along the long edge. Open out and finish seam.

Stitch together the two piece #1s along 1 long edge. Open out and finish seam.

Stitch together 2 of the right-angle triangles (piece #3) along the selvedge (finished edge of the fabric). Open out and finish seam.

Stitch a third triangle on to the side of the panel, matching long edges, as shown. Open out and finish seam.


Repeat the last two steps with three more right-angle triangles (piece #3), taking care to "mirror" them so you have a right side and a left side. The two selvedge pieces will form the overlaps of the entrance flaps.
Main assembly

Insert the bell-end (#1) into one end of the tent body (#2). Stitch, matching bottom corners. There will be a gap at the top, which will need to be hemmed.

Take one of the front flaps (Three piece #3s). Making sure all the seams are on the same side, attach it to the front end of the tent body. Repeat with the other flap, taking care to "mirror" the two sides so the selvedges form a neat overlap.

Lay the pieces out before you begin to sew, to be sure you've positioned them correctly!
The ridge pole sleeve

Turn the tent the right way out and stitch carefully along the line shown to form the ridge pole casing, leaving 2 gaps for the upright poles. Mark the line with chalk first, and make sure the casing isn't too tight. If the casing is too tight it will grip the ridge pole when wet and be the cause of much wailing and gnashing of teeth on occasions when you must break camp in the rain.
Alternatively, you can sew ties at intervals along the centre line to secure the ridge pole to the canvas.
Finishing off

Hem the ridge pole sleeve edges, and the bottom edge of the tent. The manuscript evidence shows the ridge pole sticking out of the ends of the ridge pole casing (as we have illustrated here). To match this appearance you will have to trim the ends of the casing; however we have left ours long and have found that the dangling ends seem to act as rain spouts, directing water away from the tent.

Your peg loops will need to be long enough to go round a tent peg while allowing for a decent anchorage on the tent fabric. The peg loops on our small tent are made from offcuts of leather, each approximately 2cm x 25cm and 2mm thick; the large tent uses larger and thicker loops. Make stitch holes with an awl, position the loop ends either side of the tent seams (see illustration), glue them in place, then stitch them down. A one or two person tent needs nine loops in the positions shown on the plan view below. There are two loops at the front - one on each of the flaps.

To hold the flaps closed we have used cloth ties, about 30cm long, made from parts of the leftover triangles. Alternatively you could use leather toggles similar to those known from some of the archaeological finds of dark age shoes. Having experienced the problems of untieing wet cloth ties with cold hands in the dark, toggles sound like a good idea, however experience with other peoples tents has shown that this is not necessarily a better alternative. The Utrecht Psalter appears to show ties done up in a bow and this is the style we have used. Make your closure fittings, but don't attach them yet. If you haven't done so already, make some poles and tent pegs, wait for it to stop raining and take everything to a convenient field or large garden. The moment of truth - put up the tent and adjust the height of the poles. Once you are happy that the tent has been pitched properly, attach the ties. We have reinforced the attachment points with leather patches. The Utrecht Psalter shows one of the flaps opened up and tied back outside the tent to a point roughly in the centre of the side. We haven't bothered with the outside tie as you can use a tent peg to hold back the flap by it's peg loop.

Waterproofing

Some people might argue about this, but we have never waterproofed our tents, and never had a problem. If you use thick enough fabric, construct and erect the tent correctly, and tie up the flaps during a downpour, you should remain snug and dry. We have found that light to moderate rain just runs off, while even heavy rain is held in the fabric and only drips inside if someone knocks the wall of the tent.
Care and Storage

Here are our top tips for a tear-free tent, with no apologies for stating the obvious.

Don't put it away wet! Taking it home wet is sometimes unavoidable, but it should be hung up to dry as soon as possible; if not outside, then in a garage or a dry shed, or over the banisters and hanging down the stairwell (you may never see your banisters again).

Check the tent over for any tears, holes, or places where the stitching looks strained, and do any minor repairs before they become major ones. Small holes can be darned; larger holes or rips may need to be patched. Put some leather oil or polish on the peg loops every so often to keep them from going brittle. Check the poles for splinters, and rub them with linseed oil once in a while to keep them weatherproof. If you have metal bits at the ends of your poles, oil them too.

Learn to fold your tent! This may sound daft, but it can make a big difference to ease of transport and storage, and will help to keep it in good condition.

Store your tent canvas in a warm, dry place. Make a bag for it, and use it - being used as a cat or dog's bed will do nothing for it!

Store the poles somewhere cool and dry, preferably on their sides - failing that, prop them in a corner well away from direct heat, to avoid warp.

Have "putting the tent to bed for the winter" as a group activity. It provides a good excuse for everyone to sit around chatting, and nicely reinforces your group dynamic! And, of course, your tent will stay in good condition for longer if it's correctly stored.
Disclaimer

The instructions in this article are provided without warranty, express or implied, and any use made of this article is entirely at your own risk. Ydalir Vikings and its members cannot be held responsible for any loss, damage, misuse or other action arising from such use.

http://www.ydalir.co.uk/crafts/tent/pattern.htm -статья взята с этого сайта

 Отправлено: 01.06.09 00:22. Заголовок: NB обратите внимание..

NB обратите внимание как сделан вход

Вход закрывается петельчатой шнуровкой - и не продувается

Полог-навес крепится отдельной веревкой

вид сзади, тент просто перекинут через верх

крепеж к земле штырем через кольцо

Более надежное крепление тента

и опять - растяжка к земле

НО и полог ГОРАЗДО БОЛЬШЕ


дополнительная занавеска

предохраняет от любопынтых взоров и комаров

крепится на вервке кольцами

дополнительный боковой вход

колья под растяжку - копья

вход полог идет не от самого верха- нельзя сильно растягивать

Закрывается на петли костяными пуговицами

так удобно открывать при ветре или в дождь

Вот во что превращается саксонка в руках кочевников!

а вот- во что она превращается в руках балбесов

а вот что бывает, если играть со спичками









информация с этого сайта - http://www.reenactment.ru/gallery/workshop/tents/sakson/

 Отправлено: 01.06.09 00:36. Заголовок: http://www.reenactme..

http://www.reenactment.ru/catalog/ вообще полезный сайт и по палаткам и по всему...советую порыться.

 Отправлено: 01.06.09 09:04. Заголовок: Катерина, респект! О..

Катерина, респект! Отличная подборка!

 Отправлено: 23.06.09 15:46. Заголовок: А это - собственно, ..

А это - собственно, один из первоисточников для всех этих умопостроений -
миниатюра в Сент-Галленском манускрипте
http://www.tforum.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=3022&pid=46441&mode=threaded&start=#entry46441

 Отправлено: 20.12.09 01:04. Заголовок: Ребят, после НГ я бу..

Ребят, после НГ я буду чинить палатки.
А на вашей совести будет их провощить! Большую - заново, а маленькую - за неимением первого слоя.

 Отправлено: 07.01.10 15:15. Заголовок: Палатки в виде конст..

Палатки в виде конструктора. Приемлимые цены.
Доставки из Ярославля должна быть почти халявной.
Я думаю АЙС.

 Отправлено: 08.01.10 04:07. Заголовок: Хм... мне нравится п..

Хм... мне нравится предложение!)